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Historiska världars forum 2005-09-25T19:16:47+01:00 https://historiskavarldar.se/forum/feed.php?f=5&t=2849 2005-09-25T19:16:47+01:00 2005-09-25T19:16:47+01:00 https://historiskavarldar.se/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2849&p=23838#p23838 <![CDATA[Engelsk skogskytt-dräkt]]> Kanske offtopic, men när dök de första balladerna om den grönklädda mannen (Robin) upp egentlgen?
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Åter enligt Harrison är det sex ballader som sjöngs redan på 1400-talet och kanske ännu tidigare, nämligen <i>Gest of Robyn Hode</i>, <i>Robin Hoode his Death</i>, <i>Robin Hood and the Potter</i>, <i>Robin Hood and Guy of Gisborne</i>, <i>Robin Hood and the Monk</i> samt <i>Robin and Gandelyn</i>. <i>Gest of Robyn Hode</i> verkar av de flesta forskare anses som den äldsta. Enligt Harrison (<i>Mannen från Barnsdale</i>, s. 32-33) brukar litteraturhistorikerna anta att den skrevs mellan 1400 och 1460, kanske så tidigt som omkring 1370.

Indirekta referenser förekommer ännu något tidigare. I William Langlands allegoriska dikt <i>Piers Plowman</i>(från 1370-talet) upplyser en världsligt sinnad präst om att han kan sånger om Robin Hood, vilket ju tyder på att sådana redan var välkända vid tidpunkten. (Harrison, s. 27-28)

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tja, britiske bueskyttere i hundreårskrigen var etter hva jeg har lest et sted (den der boka til company og st. george, tror jeg) utstyrt med klær i grønt og hvitt. ingen aning om kildene

Halvor
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I <i>Armies and Warfare in the Middle Ages: the English Experience</i> av Michael Prestwich (rasande bra bok förresten) står det bl a:

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Early in Edward III's reign some contingents were ordered to wear uniforms, paid for by the local communities. /.../ In some cases, uniforms became quite elaborate. <b>On the Black Prince's 1355 expedition, the men of Cheshire and North Wales wore green and white parti-coloured hats and tunics</b> (min betoning). The development of such garb was associated with the tendency for lords to provide their men with standardised livery robes. The problem of identification in battle was not fully resolved if each lord dressed his men in a distinctive way, and Henry V ordered that 'every man of what estate or condition that he be, of our party, bear a band of St George', much as Edward I's troops had done. /.../ The basic white coat, however, remained the standard wear until the late Tudor period.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

De grön-vita "uniformerna" verkar alltså ha varit specifika för vissa kontingenter.

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2005-09-24T11:54:43+01:00 2005-09-24T11:54:43+01:00 https://historiskavarldar.se/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2849&p=23807#p23807 <![CDATA[Engelsk skogskytt-dräkt]]>
Halvor

Statistik: Postat av Halvor — 24 september 2005, 11:54


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2005-09-23T20:21:16+01:00 2005-09-23T20:21:16+01:00 https://historiskavarldar.se/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2849&p=23788#p23788 <![CDATA[Engelsk skogskytt-dräkt]]> Värt att åtminstone kolla upp kanske?

/Martina

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Kanske offtopic, men när dök de första balladerna om den grönklädda mannen (Robin) upp egentlgen?

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2005-09-23T18:59:21+01:00 2005-09-23T18:59:21+01:00 https://historiskavarldar.se/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2849&p=23785#p23785 <![CDATA[Engelsk skogskytt-dräkt]]>
Harrison skriver: "Enligt <i>Gest [of Robyn Hode</i>, den äldsta balladen] lät Robin Hood sina män bära dräkter färgade i lincolngrönt (<i>Lincoln green</i>)" och spekulerar vidare i om de gröna dräkterna kan ha haft en politisk symbolisk betydelse kopplad till inbördes stridigheter i England på 1310- och 20-talet. (<i>Mannen från Barnsdale</i>, s. 183.)

Bilder på fotsoldater eller jägare från 1300-talet verkar väl som något att hålla utkik efter. Det finns en berömd bild i Luttrell-psaltaren med några bågskyttar som skjuter prick på måltavlor som ser väldigt moderna ut, antar att bilden finns på nätet nånstans.

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2005-09-19T13:54:17+01:00 2005-09-19T13:54:17+01:00 https://historiskavarldar.se/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2849&p=23601#p23601 <![CDATA[Engelsk skogskytt-dräkt]]>
Njae, mer en laglös ute i skogen. En sån som gömmer sig från statsmakten ute i skogarna.
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Det verkar ganska opraktiskt om de som gömmer sig skulle ha speciella kläder. Det skulle ju göra dem lättare att känna igen. Däremot kanske vissa kläder är mer praktiska i skogen, och det borde vara sådana jägarna har.

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2005-09-19T11:00:44+01:00 2005-09-19T11:00:44+01:00 https://historiskavarldar.se/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2849&p=23590#p23590 <![CDATA[Engelsk skogskytt-dräkt]]> http://www.ladyofthecake.com/mel/hood/rhimages.htm

/R

Statistik: Postat av Raymund — 19 september 2005, 11:00


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2005-09-19T08:32:04+01:00 2005-09-19T08:32:04+01:00 https://historiskavarldar.se/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2849&p=23575#p23575 <![CDATA[Engelsk skogskytt-dräkt]]>
Laglösa å andra skogslöpare hade nog samma kläder som andra. Eventuellt något mer lagade.

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2005-09-18T02:58:57+01:00 2005-09-18T02:58:57+01:00 https://historiskavarldar.se/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2849&p=23534#p23534 <![CDATA[Engelsk skogskytt-dräkt]]>
http://www.bnf.fr/enluminures/manuscrits/aman10.htm

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